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Topic: THE LINCOLN AND DOUGLAS DEBATES

In 1858 Abraham Lincoln ran for the U.S. Senate against Stephen A. Douglas. They held seven debates throughout the state of Illinois. These debates launched Abraham Lincoln into the spotlight... changing history forever.

Friday, December 22, 2006

Ottawa

Barley Hugg, Location Historian

The first debate took place in Ottawa.  Ottawa lies in the northern part of the state, wedged in between the Fox and Illinois rivers.  If you click this Google Map, you can see what it looks like today.  Looks pretty big, huh?  Back in 1858 about 7,000 people lived there.  In 2004, over 18,600 people lived in Ottawa.  It’s grown a bit.  However, think of this: at the debate, people estimate a crowd of between 10,000 and 20,000 people.  Now, if it was 20,000… whoa!  More people came to that debate on August 21, 1858 than lived in the city during 2004.  Crazy.

The major industries in the city today are glass manufacturing, auto part manufacturing, office equipment manufacturing, and plastics.  You can still go to visit Washington Park, where the debate took place.  There is a boulder with a plaque to commemorate the site.  It is located between Lafayette and LaSalle streets.

Crowds mobbed the city on the day of the debate.  They flocked to the debate site and crowded towards the speaking area.  It was intense: no seating, hardly any shade from the blazing sun, and heated political discussion.  Lincoln came to Ottawa on a train packed with supporters, arriving early and staying at the Mayor’s house!  Remember, Ottawa is way north, and very pro-Republican at the time.  Douglas rode into town on a horse drawn carriage and stayed at the local hotel.  At 2:30 in the afternoon both candidates were on stage and the famous debates had begun.

It is hard to imagine what that was like back then.  With the hot sun blazing and political tempers flaring.  You can only hope that they had some good food and drink, which I’m sure they did.  I would love some nice Alaskan salmon, covered in lemon and garlic… hmmm.

Below is a statue of Lincoln and Douglas located in Ottawa.

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By: Barley Hugg, Location Historian
Topic: THE LINCOLN AND DOUGLAS DEBATES
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Thursday, December 21, 2006

George McClellan

Alistair Flush, Military Historian

I’ll make this short and to the point.  Just an interesting note about the debates.  A small world type of deal.  Stephen Douglas travelled around Illinois in a fancy train car.  The train even came equipped with a canon that was shot to announce his arrival into town.  Well, he had a companion with him for a lot of the time, George McClellan.  This is the same McClellan who commanded the Union Army during the Civil War.  The same McClellan that Lincoln fired.

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By: Alistair Flush, Military Historian
Topic: THE LINCOLN AND DOUGLAS DEBATES
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Wednesday, December 20, 2006

Letter of Acceptance

Rhonda Rodentilly, Document Historian

All the other Historians are very eager to get onto the actual debates. “Come on, let’s get going. The debates are where the rubber meets the road.” Blah, blah. I’m anxious too, but I just love these old letters too much to skip this one. This letter is very cool. It’s Stephen Douglas accepting the debate challenge and laying out some ground rules. Way cool! “The Little Giant” had some nice penmanship, if you ask me. The letter is pretty self explanatory, so I don’t need to go into much. I will tell you that Douglas wasn’t thrilled with the debate prospect. I mean, he could only really lose ground by debating Lincoln. Lincoln persisted and Douglas finally relented. However, Douglas does get the better set-up, he gets to open up the debates one more time than Lincoln. Okay, enough of my talk, read on!

From Stephen A. Douglas to Abraham Lincoln, July 30, 1858

Bement, Piatt Co. Ill.

July 30th, 1858

Dear Sir:

Your letter, dated yesterday,2 accepting my proposition for a joint discussion at one prominent point in each Congressional district as stated in my previous letter was received this morning.

The times and places designated are as follows:

Ottowa, ... LaSalle Co, ... August ... 21st ... 1858

Freeport, ... Stevenson Co. ... “ ... 27th ... “

Jonesboro’, ... Union Co. ... September ... 15 “ ... “

Charleston, ... Coles Co. ... “ ... 18 “ ... “

Galesburg, ... Knox Co. ... October ... 7 “ ... “

Quincy, ... Adams Co. ... “ ... 13 “ ... “

Alton, ... Madison Co. ... “ ... 15 “ ... “

I agree to your suggestion that we shall alternately open and close the discussion. I will speak at Ottowa one hour, you can reply, occupying an hour and a half, and I will then follow for half an hour. At Freeport you shall open the discussion and speak one hour, I will follow for an hour and a half and you can then reply for half an hour. We will alternate in like manner at each successive place.

Very resp’y,

Y’r ob’t serv’t,

S. A. Douglas

I’ll never get over that “Your obedient servant” stuff, too cool. We should try speaking that way now. “Thank you, Barley. I will take into account that you always bring an apple to headquarters and that I should not eat it. Thank you. I remain always, your obedient servant.” Ha!

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By: Rhonda Rodentilly, Document Historian
Topic: THE LINCOLN AND DOUGLAS DEBATES
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Tuesday, December 19, 2006

Dred Scott

Dean Dillopolis, People Historian

So far we have covered two major events in the time leading up to the Civil War.  First, we talked about the Kansas-Nebraska Act, and then we went over the Lecompton Constitution.  Well, now we need to discuss the Dred Scott Case.  We’ll talk about it by letting you know who Dred Scott was.  Once more, this is a situation that came down to either allowing the expansion of slavery or not allowing it.  Goodness.

Dred Scott was a slave who sued for his freedom.  He based his case on the fact that he and his owner, John Emerson, moved in and out of territories where slavery was not allowed.  Emerson was in the Army and he was transferred to Illinois, free state, and the Wisconsin territory, free territory.  Dred Scott never made a claim for his freedom while in Illinois and Wisconsin.  After Emerson died, Scott attempted to buy his freedom from Emerson’s widow.  She did not accept his offer.  It is then that Scott sued for his freedom.

Scott first went to trial in June 1847, where he lost.  The case was retried and retried again, resulting in Scott losing the decision.  He finally appealed to the United States Supreme Court.  The United State Supreme Court decided, in a 7-2 decision, that Scott was not free.  This decision said many things, all of them controversial.  It stated that any African American was not a U.S. citizen.  It also destroyed the Missouri Compromise and stated that any slave owner could move into the territories and bring slavery to that territory.  According to the U.S. Supreme Court, slaves were considered property.  Congress had no right to infringe on someone’s property.  Goodness, people once again saw this as an attempt to expand slavery throughout the country.

The Dred Scott decision was a major topic in the debates.  Dred Scott was finally granted his freedom but died not long after.  He died in September of 1858.

Dred Scott is pictured below.


By: Dean Dillopolis, People Historian
Topic: THE LINCOLN AND DOUGLAS DEBATES
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Monday, December 18, 2006

Lincoln and Lecompton

Rhonda Rodentilly, Document Historian

Below is a copy of Lincoln’s speech against the Lecompton Constitution.  Oh yeah, let me tell you about the Lecompton Constitution.  By now, it is clear that the fight over slavery is coming down to the territories.  Should slavery expand? Should slavery be kept where it is?  There are also the abolitionists who want slavery wiped from the United States, but for Lincoln and Douglas we need to focus on the expansion of or the limiting of slavery.  The Lecompton Constitution was a possible state constitution for Kansas that protects the rights of slave owners, supports the existence of slavery, and allows people to vote to allow more slaves into the state.  President James Buchanan supported Lecompton, while Senator Stephen A. Douglas did not.  Wondering why Douglas didn’t support it?  Well, remember “popular sovereignty?” Good.  Douglas saw that the Lecompton Constitution did not allow popular sovereignty.  Douglas was not a supporter of slavery as much as a supporter in what he saw as self-government.  Douglas even rejected a gift of slaves, noting that he didn’t want to own slaves, but didn’t mind if others did.  The Lecompton Constitution was a major event leading up to the Debates and the Civil War.

This speech by Lincoln shows off both his philosophy of republican government and his political skill.  Douglas’ rejection of Lecompton put him at odds with President Buchanan and many others in the Democratic Party.  There was talk within the Republican Party of embracing Douglas, but Lincoln opposed this for a few reasons.  He thought that the new Republican Party would lose some core identity if it embraced Douglas, and he didn’t think Douglas would take on any Republican principles.  Another important factor was that Lincoln did not want to share any of his leadership roles with Douglas.  In this speech, Lincoln manages to attack both the Lecompton Constitution and Stephen Douglas.  This is so neat.  Let’s take a look at a section of the speech.

Well, I too, believe in self-government as I understand it; but I do not understand, that the privilege one man takes of making a slave of another, or holding him as such, is any part of “self government"-- To call it so is, to mind, simply absurd, and ridiculous--
I am for the people of the whole nation doing just as they please, in all matters which concern the whole nation; for those of each part, doing just as they choose, in all matters which concern no other part; and for each individual doing just as he chooses in all matters which concern no body else--
This is the principle-- Of course I am content with any exception, which the constitution, or the actually existing state of things, makes a necessity--
But neither the principle, nor the exception, will admit the indefinite spread and perpetuity of human slavery—

Do you see Lincoln’s ideas on republicanism?  Basically, a group or faction should not be able to do something that harms the entire nation.  This is direct from The Federalist Papers by Hamilton, Madison, and Jay.  He also takes a shot at Douglas with the interpretation of “self government.” I love these old papers; they are full of great stuff.  Thanks Library of Congress for the image.
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By: Rhonda Rodentilly, Document Historian
Topic: THE LINCOLN AND DOUGLAS DEBATES
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Thursday, December 14, 2006

Springfield, Illinois

Barley Hugg, Location Historian

Springfield is the capital of Illinois, but not until 1836. That is when Springfield became the first battleground between Lincoln and Douglas. Yup. Lincoln was in the state legislature, as was Douglas, and he wanted the state capital moved, as did Douglas. Lincoln wanted Springfield. Douglas wanted Jacksonville. Lincoln won.

Both men met frequently in Springfield. Both young politicians and lawyers, they kept the same company. They often argued politics, Lincoln from the Whig perspective and Douglas from the Democrat perspective. By the time the famous debates came, Douglas was far more successful in politics than Lincoln. Yup.

On another important note, Springfield is also the home to the corn dog on a stick. HMM YUMMM. I can eat about fifty of those things, just can’t hold them all at once. See ya.

By: Barley Hugg, Location Historian
Topic: THE LINCOLN AND DOUGLAS DEBATES
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Wednesday, December 13, 2006

The Crowds

Dean Dillopolis, People Historian

Let’s get a feel for what those debate crowds were like and why so many people attended.  Remember when we spoke about “history with context?” Well, context is very important here.  First, let me just tell you that the crowds weren’t just big crowds, they were pretty rowdy as well.  My goodness, imagine a crowd of over ten thousand people standing in a vacant lot to hear politicians debate.  Okay, think about two major factors in regards to those crowds: slavery and lifestyle.  First, slavery is the obvious reason for huge turnout.  This issue was a definite “hot button” issue, as they say.  Lincoln and Douglas weren’t just debating slavery in Illinois; they were debating the issue for the entire country.  Second is lifestyle.  Most of the towns in Illinois were low in population and things to do.  Politics were the entertainment of the day.  Think about it.  My goodness, politics is not only something you listen to, but it is also something you get emotionally involved in.  The people of Illinois loved it.  They showed that love by coming out in droves and even playing with the candidates.  During the debates it was not uncommon for audience members to shout at the debaters, either in approval or disapproval.  Both Lincoln and Douglas played back too.  They tailored their speeches for the live crowds, which stayed on even after the debates ended.  These were all day events.  Goodness.

By: Dean Dillopolis, People Historian
Topic: THE LINCOLN AND DOUGLAS DEBATES
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Tuesday, December 12, 2006

The Challenge Letter

Rhonda Rodentilly, Document Historian

The Republicans nominated Lincoln to run against Douglas on June 16, 1858.  Little FYI nugget: that is when Lincoln delivered his famous “house divided” speech, but more on that later.  At that time, Stephen A. Douglas was very well known and had a lot more money than Lincoln to campaign with.  As a solution to that problem, Lincoln followed Douglas around the state.  Douglas would make a speech and Lincoln would respond with a speech of his own in the same town.  Sometimes he responded the same day, sometimes the next day.  Lincoln and his assistant, Norman Judd, concluded that this approach was not working well.  So they decided to challenge Douglas to debates in order to get more exposure.  Well, it worked.  Boy did it work.  This is the first letter that Lincoln sent to Douglas.

Chicago Ills. July 24, 1858

My Dear Sir

Will it be agreeable to you to make an arrangement for you and myself to divide time and address the same audiences during the present canvass? Mr. Judd who will hand you this is authorized to receive your answer; and if agreeable to you to enter into the terms of such arrangement.

Your Obt. Servt

A. Lincoln


By: Rhonda Rodentilly, Document Historian
Topic: THE LINCOLN AND DOUGLAS DEBATES
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Monday, December 11, 2006

The Stenographers

Dorothy Duckinsie, Invention / Things Historian

Let’s talk a bit about the debate texts.  At the time of the debates there was no television, radio, or recording available.  So how did the country learn about these debates?  There was such an interest in these debates that Chicago newspapers had them fully transcribed by stenographers on the spot.  These transcriptions would be reprinted in the newspapers a few days later.  Then the national press would reprint them for people in other states.  Sounds great, doesn’t it?

Remember when Rhonda talked about Lincoln’s scrapbook?  You can scroll down and find it if you haven’t read it already.  Or if you don’t remember… it’s okay, I forget so much I’m convinced my memory has a leak.  Okay, remember that Lincoln kept records from different papers and wrote in the margins?  Why did he do that?  That’s right, because newspapers back then favored one candidate over the other.  So it is safe to say that papers that favored Douglas edited his debate speech a bit, and vice versa with the Republican papers.  So, the reprinted debates were not totally accurate reporting.

How can we find the accurate accounts?  A few ways: eyewitness accounts, small town press reports, and the stenographers from the major press.  Now it is true that the major press polished the debate of “their” candidate, but they left the other candidate’s speech alone.  So, if you follow the Lincoln text from the Democrat papers and the Douglas text from the Republican papers, you will get a fair representation of the debates.  Historian Harold Holzer has compiled these transcripts in the book The Lincoln Douglas Debates: The First Unexpurgated Text.


By: Dorothy Duckinsie, Invention / Things Historian
Topic: THE LINCOLN AND DOUGLAS DEBATES
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Friday, December 08, 2006

From Whig to Republican

Phineas Pollyphus, Political Historian

Simply defined, a political party is an organization to gain political power.  Political parties do this by running specific candidates in elections.  The United States has been primarily a two party system for years now: Republican and Democrat.  Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican elected to the Presidency.  The first Republican.  However, before he was a Republican he was a Whig.  What is a Whig?  Let me tell you.

The Whig Party started in 1834 as opposition to Andrew Jackson.  The Whigs can rightly be thought of as an extension of the Federalist Party.  They believed in a strong central government and endorsed something called The American System.  The American System was meant to create a strong, unified country.  Unified and strong.  Some of the issues it put forth were: putting high tariffs on imported goods so that people would buy U.S. products, preserving the Bank of the United States in order to have a stable currency, federal revenue through land sales, and national improvements such as roads and canals.  Whigs like Henry Clay believed that The American System would unite the country because every region would depend on each other.  For example, cotton from the South would go to factories in the North.  Factories in the North.

Slavery ended up splitting the Whig Party.  Whigs from the North supported abolition and halting the spread of slavery to the new territories, while Whigs from the South felt the opposite.  The newly formed Republican Party drew many people from the Whigs, including Lincoln.  A big factor in the Whig split was the Kansas – Nebraska Act which formed the new territories and stated that it was up to the settlers whether to allow slavery or not.  Stephen A. Douglas put forth the Kansas – Nebraska Act.


By: Phineas Pollyphus, Political Historian
Topic: THE LINCOLN AND DOUGLAS DEBATES
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Thursday, December 07, 2006

17th Amendment

Phineas Pollyphus, Political Historian

The Superhero Historians are very fond of something we like to call “history with context.” In other words, we think it is critical to understand everything happening around the time of an event in order to understand the event.  To put it even simpler, you can’t view 1858 through the prism of 2006.  Prism of 2006.  With that in mind, let’s talk a little bit about the 17th Amendment.

First let’s get the bare bone facts out of the way.  The 17th Amendment was ratified on April 8, 1913.  Okay, I know what you are thinking, “Hey Phineas, that is a long way away from 1858.  How can you view 1858 through the 1913 prism thingy?” Bear with me and I will connect the dots for you.  Now the 17th Amendment was put through during the Progressive Era of United States politics.  Progressives were against inefficiency and they moved to put more power into the hands of the people.  Hands of the people.  The 17th Amendment put the election of U.S. Senators directly in the hands of the people.  So when you turn 18 and vote, and promise me that you will vote, you will cast a vote directly for a senator.  Before this Amendment, state legislatures would vote for or appoint U.S. Senators.  Flash back to 1858 and the Lincoln – Douglas debates.  Both politicians were actually debating to influence voters to elect state representatives that would then support them for the U.S. Senate.  For the U.S. Senate.  That is just something to keep in mind while reading about the debates.  Even though thousands of people showed up to listen, they never got to vote directly for either Lincoln or Douglas!

Just so you know, one of the main reasons for the 17th Amendment was that around the time of the Civil War, states were so divided that sometimes nobody was elected to the Senate.  The 17th Amendment is very interesting and you should look into it more, if you like.  There are even people today who want to repeal this Amendment.  They argue that it upsets the balance of power between the Federal Government and the states.  And the states.


By: Phineas Pollyphus, Political Historian
Topic: THE LINCOLN AND DOUGLAS DEBATES
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Wednesday, December 06, 2006

The Land of Lincoln

Barley Hugg, Location Historian

It is known as the “Land of Lincoln” for obvious reasons.  Illinois was the 21st state admitted into the Union on December 3, 1818.  Even though Abraham Lincoln was not born there, he spent most of his life in Illinois and is buried there.  Admitted to the Union as a free state, it was not a totally anti-slavery state.  Illinois held some of the strictest laws called Black Codes, which put limits on the civil liberties of African Americans.

In 1860 the total population of Illinois was 1,711,951 people!  Its motto is: State sovereignty, national union.  This motto seems to be a direct reflection of Abraham Lincoln, the man who fought tooth and nail to keep the Union together.  What do you think?  Both Lincoln and Douglas witnessed and pushed the growth of Illinois.  Douglas helped with railroads and Lincoln helped move the capital to Springfield.

The other great thing about Illinois is their sports teams and food.  Get this, the Chicago Bears and the Chicago Cubs, plus unbelievable steak, hot dogs, and deep dish pizza!  How can you lose?  It even makes me forget about fresh Alaskan salmon… well just for a bit anyway.


By: Barley Hugg, Location Historian
Topic: THE LINCOLN AND DOUGLAS DEBATES
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Tuesday, December 05, 2006

Lincoln’s Debate Scrapbook

Rhonda Rodentilly, Document Historian

One of the biggest New Year’s resolutions made is about starting a diary.  Yes, I admit that I’ve made that resolution as well.  I’ll also admit that it is a difficult one to keep.  It is a really cool thing to do though, because you can keep track of events in your life and read back on them later.  This is what Abraham Lincoln did with the debates against Douglas.  Lincoln kept a scrapbook that he filled with news accounts of the seven debates.  Is that cool or what?  Wow.

To make it even cooler, Lincoln realized that newspapers could lean towards one candidate and not the other.  So he clipped reports about his speeches from newspapers that leaned Republican, while he clipped the Douglas reports from newspapers that leaned towards the Democrat.  He was so concerned with inaccuracies that he even wrote in the margins if he was unsatisfied with the news account.  I guess that’s why they called him “Honest Abe.”

Below is an actual page from the scrapbook.  It reads,
“Fifth joint debate
October 7, 1858, at,
Galesburg, Illinois
Douglas as reported in
The Chicago Times –
Lincoln as reported in
The Press & Tribune.”

Very neat!  Okay, I’m going to go start my diary.  Thanks to the Library of Congress.


By: Rhonda Rodentilly, Document Historian
Topic: THE LINCOLN AND DOUGLAS DEBATES
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Monday, December 04, 2006

The Illinois Rail-Splitter

Dean Dillopolis, People Historian

Abraham Lincoln was born on February 12, 1809.  His parents gave him no middle name, but America gave him plenty of nicknames.  He’s known as “Honest Abe,” “The Illinois Rail-Splitter,” and “The Great Emancipator.” While I love all these nicknames, for this topic let’s go with “The Illinois Rail Splitter.” It sounds like a heavyweight-boxing match.  “In this corner, we have the Little Giant and in this corner I give you The Illinois Rail-Splitter!” Well, goodness, these debates were verbal boxing matches.

Lincoln lived a pretty amazing life.  Even if never elected president, it would have been incredible.  He was born in a one-room cabin in Kentucky.  For the most part he educated himself while growing up.  He carried on his self-education later in life when he taught himself law.  Incredible.  He got his law license on September 9, 1836 and led a successful law practice.  Throughout his life both politics and tragedy are scattered.  His brother dies in infancy in 1812, followed by his mother in 1818.  In 1828 his sister dies in childbirth.  Lincoln also lived to see two of his four sons die.  Goodness.  As for politics, he served in the Illinois House of Representatives, in the United States House of Representatives, and of course as the 16th President of the United States.  Gee, didn’t think we’d forget the last one did you?  In between those positions there are more political adventures and of course, misadventures for Lincoln.  He was assassinated on April 15, 1865.


By: Dean Dillopolis, People Historian
Topic: THE LINCOLN AND DOUGLAS DEBATES
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Saturday, December 02, 2006

What is a debate?

Phineas Pollyphus, Political Historian

Let’s get to the one of the meaty parts of politics… debates.  What is a debate?  The Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines debate: to discuss a question by considering opposed arguments. That is the verb form of the word, which is good enough for us.  Good enough.  People have debates about all sorts of things.  For us, we are only interested in political debates.  If you want to debate the merits of chocolate versus vanilla, send us an email.  Barley will be all over that.  All over it.

Presidential debates are the most familiar types of political debates.  Presidential candidates debate everything from taxes to foreign policy in these debates.  Their goal is to inform voters of their views so they can win voters.  One candidate is asked a question, they respond, and then their opponent can offer a rebuttal.  Rebuttals can go longer if needed, back and forth.  Back and forth.  Debates today are very different from the debates that Lincoln and Douglas took part in during 1858.  Today debates are usually ninety minutes long.  Each candidate will get two minutes to respond and their opponents ninety seconds to offer a rebuttal.  The debates in 1858 lasted three hours.  Three hours.  The first candidate spoke for an hour, his opponent spoke for an hour and a half, and then back to the first candidate for a half hour.  Whoa.  That half hour must have seemed like a breeze.  A breeze.  You have to really know your stuff to talk for an hour and a half.


By: Phineas Pollyphus, Political Historian
Topic: THE LINCOLN AND DOUGLAS DEBATES
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